My cousin Hamish has kindly been adding my family history finds to his much bigger Maclarens, Birtwistles and Many Other Families tree of related families on rootsweb.
We’ve been collaborating on our mother’s Birtwistle family and other ancestors. But he has also added my patrilineal descent here. It’s helped remind me of all the loose ends, as well as those branches that go on and on and on.
This prompted me to see if could find another generation on at least one more branch. Not only did I find one more branch it took me back to the Vikings via Hervey and Percy families.
Edmund Keynell of Haslebury is something like my 10x grandfather. He married Bridget Alpin, of Dorset. I discovered on Stirnet that his father was Christopher Keynell of Dorset who married m. Elizabeth Hervey (dau of Henry Hervey of Ewell (by Jane, dau of James ap Thomas of Llanihangle), sister of William, Lord Hervey).
The had the following offspring:
- Christopher Keynell, Governor of Antigua (Colonel) had issue
- Elizabeth Keynell m. _ Shipman
- (my ancestor) Frances Keynell m. Randolph Russell of the Island of Nevis (Colonel)
- Bridget Keynell m. Thomas Williams of Dorset
- John Williams m. Elizabeth Smith (dau of Col. Michael Smith of Nevis) had issue: Michael, John
- Bridget Williams m. Samuel Gardner of Nevis (Captain) had issue: Samuel, John, Edmnd, James, other
- Anne Keynell m. John Rogers of Dorset had issue: issue – Samuel, John, Edmnd, James, other
- other issue: William, John, Harvey of Antigua, Edmund, Francis
Not sure how much I want to dwell on these Dorset families as they seem to be at heart of slave trade in West Indies.
Interestingly, Stirnet lists the following offspring for Frances Keynell m. Randolph Russell of the Island of Nevis (Colonel) :
- Sir James (or John) Russell ‘of Nevis Island’ m. Penelope Tirrell (dau of Sir Timothy Tirrell of Oxfordshire)
- Penelope Russell (d 14.01.1746) who married m. (23.01.1696/7) Sir William Stapleton, 3rd Bart (d 12.1699)
- issue – Elizabeth, Frances
- Valentine Russell m. Mary Warner (dau of Col. Philip Warner of Antigua)
- Anne Russell
- Randolph Russell
- Anne Russell (d 08.07.1722) married 1. (by 1672) Sir William Stapleton, Governor of the Leeward Islands, 1st Bart and 2. Walter Hamilton, Governor of Nevis (d 18.04.1722, Colonel)
- Frances Russell m. Joseph Jory of Nevis (Major) Randolph Jory
Stirnet shows ‘marital connections between the following Russells and Stapletons are supported by TCB (vol 4, ‘Stapleton of the Leeward Islands’, p111).’
But I have Penelope Russell marrying Martin Madan in 1698 in Nevis, WEST INDIES. That information was kindly provided to me in Ahnentafel prepared by Rafael Alberto Madan, my 8th cousin, twice removed.
I also found this biography of Col. Martin Madan on the Legacies of British Slave-ownership pages of UCL, which exaplains the following:
Col. Martin Madan: MP for Wooton Bassett 1747-1752, eldest son of Martin Madan of Nevis (d. 1703) and Penelope Russell, daughter of Col. Sir James Russell of Nevis.
Maybe she married twice, but that is one more generation of Keynells I have found as well as whole new Hervey family.
According to Stirnet (Hervey01), Elizabeth Hervey is the daughter of Henry Hervey of Ewell by Jane, daughter of James ap Thomas of Llanihangle.
Henry is second son of Sir Nicholas Hervey of Bakenloo (d 25.08.1532, 3rd son) and his second wife m2. Bridget Wiltshire (dau of Sir John Wiltshire of Stone Castle, widow of Sir Richard Wingfield).
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Wiltshire of Stone Castle
Sir Nicholas is son of William Hervey of Wordwell and Ickworth (d 01.08.1538, 3rd son) m. Joan Cochett (dau of John Cochett or Cockett of Ampton)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Cochett or Cockett of Ampton
William Hervey is son of Thomas Hervey of Ickworth (d 1477) m. Jane Drury (dau of Henry Drury of Ickworth)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Drury of Ickworth
Thomas Hervey of Ickworth is son of John Hervey of Thurley m. Joan Nernuytt (dau of Sir John de Nernuytt of Burnham, son of Thomas by Alice, dau of Thomas Buckland of Buckland)
Stirnet has some complicated notes relating to John and Joan and differences between the Essex and Suffolk Visitation sources and which ones they chose.
Short version is that Visitation (Suffolk) starts with this John & Joan and shows an additional generation being John (d before 08.1458, married Joan/Jane, dau of William Paston) father of Thomas of Ickworth (m. Jane Drury).
John Hervey of Thurley is son of John Hervey of Thurley and Risley m. Marjory Parles (dau of Ralph Parles).
Stirnet explains that Visitation (Essex) starts instead with Henry of Thurley, father of Sir Edward, father of John who married Joane Neirwent (Neirnuyt).
After this generation there seems to be gap, but ancestry seems to go back to Robert FitzHervey – reportedly a younger son of Hervey (or Harvey), Duke of Orleans. His son was either Robert FitzHervey or Hervey, Bishop of Bangor then Ely, or Count Hervey, Governor of Devizes Castle, or Hervey de Yuon, who married a daughter of William Goieth.
The Wiltshire of Stone Castle connection mentioned above takes us to the Percy family (Stirnet Percy02):
Bridget Wiltshire (heir)
- m1. Sir Richard Wingfieldm
- 2. Sir Nicholas Hervey (my ancestor).
Bridget was daugheter of Margaret le Grand, m. Sir John Wiltshire ‘of Stone Castle’.
Margaret le Grand was daughter of Catherine Percy, m. Sir Simon le Grand of Normandy (son of Sir Simon by dau/heir of _ Chenow of Picardie by dau/heir of _ Arteville)
Catherine Percy Sir Ralph Percy (d 1464, 7th son), .m1. Jane Tey, heiress of Bursted (dau of Sir John Tey of Essex)
Stirnet explains that Sir Ralph’s 1st wife (and family) comes from Berry’s Essex Pedigrees (1878, Warren) which identifes Sir Ralph as 4th son of Henry, 2nd Earl, by Elianor Neville
Sir Ralph Percy is son of Henry Percy, 2nd Earl of Northumberland, Constable of England (b 03.02.1393, d St. Albans 23.05.1455), m. (1414) Eleanor Neville (dau of Ralph Neville, 1st Earl of Westmorland)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Neville (Earl of Westmorland)
Henry Percy is Sir Henry (Harry) ‘Hotspur’ Percy (b 20.05.1364, d Shrewsbury 23.07.1403), m. Elizabeth Mortimer (b 1371, d 1417, dau of Edward Mortimer, 3rd Earl of March)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Mortimer (Earl of March)
Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, Marshal & Constable of England (b 1342, d 29.02.1408), m1. (1358) Margaret Neville (d 12.05.1372, dau of Ralph Neville, 2nd Lord of Raby)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Neville (Lord of Raby)
This takes us to ‘Percy01’ on Stirnet:
Henry Percy is son of Henry Percy, 3rd Lord of Alnwick (b 1320, d c17.06.1368, )m1. (1334) Mary Plantagenet (b c1321, d 01.09.1362, dau of Henry Plantagenet, 3rd Earl of Lancaster)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Plantagent (Earl of Lancaster)
Henry Percy is son of Henry de Percy, 2nd Lord of Alnwick (b 1301, d 1352), m. Idonia Clifford (d 1365, dau of Robert de Clifford, 1st Lord)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Clifford
Henry Percy is son of Henry de Percy, 1st Lord of Alnwick, Regent of England (b 1273, d 1315, 3rd son, m. (c1294) Eleanor of Arundel (d 1328, sister of Sir Richard of Arundel, possibly dau of Richard, 7th Earl of Arundel)
Stirnet explains that Visitation (Yorkshire, 1563-4, Percy) identifies Henry’s wife as a daughter of Richard, Earl of Arundel (a note added later stating that her father was John by Isabel Mortimer, ie. the 6th Earl and father of Richard, 7th Earl) but TCP (Percy) is cautious and notes that one thing known about her is that she was heir to her brother Sir Richard who “seems to have been a man of no importance”. TCP accepts it as possible that she was daughter of Richard, 7th Earl, and acknowleges that “she has been usually affiliated” to that Richard.
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Earl of Arundel.
Henry de Percy is son of Sir Henry de Percy (b 1235, d 29.08.1272), m. (08.09.1268) Eleanor Plantagenet de Warenne (b 1251, d 1282/90, dau of John Plantagenet de Warenne, 7th Earl of Surrey)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Plantagenet, Earl of Surrey.
Sir Henry de Percy is son of William de Percy of Topcliffe (d before 28.07.1245), m1. Joan Briwere (d c1233, dau of Sir William Briwere)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Briwere.
William de Percy of Topcliffe is son Henry de Percy (d c1198)m. Isabel de Brus (d after 1230, dau of Adam de Brus of Skelton)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Brus.
Henry de Percy is son of Josceline de Louvain of Petworth (d 1180)m. Agnes de Percy (dau/heir of William de Percy)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Louvain of Petworth.
Agnes de Percy is daughter of William de Percy (d 1174/5), m1. Adelaide (dau of Gilbert FitzRichard de Tonbridge, Lord of Clare)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: FitzRichard de Tonbridge.
William de Percy is son of Alan de Percy (‘the great Alan’), m. Emma de Gaunt (dau of Gilbert de Gaunt)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Gaunt.
Alan de Percy is son of William de Percy (b c1034, d c1096), m. Emma de Port (dau of Hugh de Port of Basing)
Stirnet explains, the ancestry reported for William was found in various web sites. It is corroborated to some extent within an excellent book on ‘The Conqueror and his Companions’ (which is available on a web site – see the relevant section on the Individuals search page) so it is strange that it is not referred to in other Percy records seen so far. We ignore the ancestry and descendants reported in Visitation (Yorkshire, 1563-4, Percy I) which appear fanciful.
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Gaunt.
This takes us to Viking01 on Stirnet:
William de Percy is son of Geoffrey de Percy (b c1005), m. Margaret
Geoffrey de Percy is son of Mainfred de Percy (b c980)
Mainfred de Percy is son of Rollo Rollosson (brother of Ansfred I ‘the Dane’, Count of Hiermer: b c937, d after 973)
Rollo Rollosson is son of Rollo Thurstan Brico (b c885), m. Gerlotte de Blois (dau of Theobald de Tours)
Rollo Thurstan Brico is son of Hrollaug of Iceland (b c854).
Hrollaug of Iceland is son of Ragnvald I ‘the Wise’, Jarl of More (b c830, d c890/4), m. Ragnhild (b c848, dau of Rolf Nefia) – brother of Rollo (Hrolf) ‘the Ganger’ Ragnvaldsson, Duke of Normandy (b c860, d c932) who is also my ancestor.
Ragnvald I ‘the Wise’ is son of Einstein or Eystein ‘the Noisy’ Glumra, Jarl of More, m. (c846) Ascriba (dau of Rognvald Olafsson of Westfold/Agder)
Stirnet has link to another new family to follow up on: Olafsson of Westfold/Agder.
Einstein or Eystein ‘the Noisy’ Glumra is son of Ivar, Jarl of the Uplands (b after 770), m. daughter of Eystein ‘Glumra’ Hognasson
Svidri Heytsson (b c600) – continued above1. Sveidi ‘the Sea King’ Sviadrasson (b c650) father (more likely grandfather ?) of …A.
Ivar, Jarl of the Uplands is son Halfden ‘the Aged’ (b c700, d 800)
Stirnet thinks he is more likely grandson.
Halfden ‘the Aged’ is son of Sveidi ‘the Sea King’ Sviadrasson (b c650)
Stirnet thinks he is more likely grandson.
Sveidi ‘the Sea King’ Sviadrasson is son of Svidri Heytsson (b c600)
Svidri Heytsson is son of Heytir Gorrsson (b c425)
Stirnet thinks he is more likely great-great-grandson.
Heytir Gorrsson is son of Gorr Thorasson (b c365)
Gorr Thorasson is son of Thorri Snaersson, King of Kvenland (b c320)
Thorri Snaersson is son of Snaer (Svaer) Jokulsson, King of Kvenland (b c275)
Snaer (Svaer) Jokulsson, King of Kvenland is son Jokull Fortasson (b c240)
Stirnet explains that these names were initially passed from generation to generation by word of mouth… and so if the dates are to be believed, there appear to be a few gaps.
The site also explains that these Vikings are in the ‘Ancient & Mythical’ section of their database and so it should not be taken too seriously.
That’s end of the road for this loose end, but will follow-up some of the new leads found on Stirnet mentioned above in future posts.