Genealogical dead ends revisted

I’ve been revisiting all the genealogical dead ends I’ve encountered, and have started to go through my ancestors generation by generation. This forms part of my planning of fantasy ancestry road trips by looking at where they all hail from, which include:

Lancashire: My mother and her siblings appear to be first of her family to have moved from a very small area in Lancashire since 1200 AD. My father also has Lancastrian ancestors through his Baxendale relatives, so that’s another trip sometime. Fortunately, a few of the ancestors were Innkeepers, and Northcote where my great grandmother lived is now a Michelin Starred restaurant. That might make up for the weather.

Midlands: This wouldn’t normally have been travel destination I’d have considered, but a large cluster of ancestors hail from here through my grandmother Rosemary Louise Fitzherbert Wright‘s family. This includes some amazing homes to visit like Tissington, andYeldersley Hall where my grandmother was born. There’s also Ostmaston Park where Ostmaston Manor once stood, but it’s privately owned, so permission may be required. Who knows there may even be Industrial relics from the Butterly Company to be seen too, and even other ancestral homes. Not sure I’ll be able to persuade my family to take more than a short break to the Midlands though.

Scotland:
I’ve already started planning my fantasy ancestry road trip to the highlands. The further I go back the more there is to possibly see, but also the more difficult it is to pinpoint exact locations because the families owned regions. As such, it’s not clear where each generation actually lived. I could also plan another trip for Edinburgh and surrounding area around my Maitland ancestors. My wife went to Edinburgh University and I have cousins there, so it might be an easier trip to arrange and agree on. Again this would probably be a long weekend rather than a full-blown holiday.

International:
I’ve got back to around 1600 and I’ve already identified ancestors that lived or were born in Ceylon, Germany, West Indies, Ireland, and India. It’s been over 10 years since I was in Sri Lanka, and I had no idea about the Maitland’s Theresia tea plantation in Bogawantalawa back then. Would be great to visit some time. I think it’s probably the Mailtland family photographs from Charles Daniel that have brought these ancestors to life because I have less inclination to do any ancestry sight seeing in Ireland, the West Indies and India. Perhaps this is just the post-colonial guilt about the Raj and plantations. I would, however, like to visit Rostock on the Baltic in what was Mecklenburg-Schwerin. Some of my German ancestors hail from here and it looks like a great place for short break, particularly if there are cheap flight to be had.

Other locations:
There’s probably a list I could put together for London. Also my my great grandfather Ernest Beresford FitzHerbert Wright moved around a lot to some quite spectacular homes, so I might plot that as a journey some time.

It’s also been interesting to see what my ancestors actually did, or at least the men. Fighting seemed to be a common occupation, particularly for the Scottish ancestors the further I go back. As my cousin Hamish points out, it’s rather amazing that there’s are any Scots left at all. I’ll look at what all my ancestors did another time, as this has been a bit of marathon effort and I’m now running out of steam. I’m grateful to my cousin Hamish for all his hard work as almost all of the links below link through to his family tree on RootsWeb. I’ve only added a handful of new ancestors.

GRANDPARENTS:
Paternal: Alfred Reginald Claude Kirby, ‘Gentleman’ (Ceylon) & Rosemary Louise Fitzherbert Wright (Derbyshire)

Maternal: James Astley Birtwistle, Cotton Mill Owner, & Mary Muriel Marwood (Lancashire)

GREAT GRANDPARENTS:
Paternal: George Henry Kirby, Planter, Soldier & Civil Servant (London) & Alice Marie (Elsie) Maitland (poss. Ceylon) | Ernest Beresford FitzHerbert Wright, Director of Butterley Company (Derbyshire) & Lucy Adeline Fox (London)

Maternal: Albert Birtwistle, Cotton Mill Owner & Annie Mary Hartley (Lancashire) | Frederick Thomas Marwood, Cork Factory Owner, & Mary Agnes (Polly) Walker (Lancashire)

GT GT GRANDPARENTS:
Paternal: Alfred Octavius Kirby, Solicitor (London) & Alice Baxendale (Hertford) | George Keith Maitland, Tea Planter in Ceylon (Edinburgh) & Christine Mary Theresa Macdonell, of Keppoch (Inverness-shire) | FitzHerbert Wright, Landowner and Director of Butterley Company (Derbyshire) & Charlotte Rudolphine Louise von Beckman (poss. Mecklenburg-Schwerin) | Sir Charles ‘Douglas’ Fox, Civil Engineer (Staffordshire) & Mary Wright (Nottinghamshire)

Maternal: William Birtwistle, Cotton Mill Owner, & Rachell Holland (Lancashire) | Unknown & Priscilla Hartley (Lancashire) | Edward Marwood, Cork cutter, & Mary E McKenna (Lancashire) | James Walker, Builder, & Mary Hannah Smith (Lancashire)

Notes: The first genealogical dead-end.  The father of my maternal great grandmother Annie Mary Hartley is unknown. She was known as Annie Astley Bell, and it’s very likely that she was illegitimate. I’ve written more on this here.

GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS:
Paternal: George Goldsmith Kirby, Conveyancer and Assurance Agent (London) & Harriet Sarah Watts (Essex) | Lloyd Baxendale, Transporter (Lancashire) & Ellen Turner (Cheshire) | George Ramsay Maitland, W.S. Solicitor, (Edinburgh) & Alice Anne Nisbet (India) | Angus MacDonell, of Keppoch, Farmer (Argyllshire) & Christina MacNab (Inverness-shire) | Francis Wright, Banker and Industrialist  (Nottinghamshire) & Selina FitzHerbert (Derbyshire) | Ernst Christopher Frederich von Beckman, Clergyman, & Magdalena Wilhelmine Louise Brockmann (Mecklenburg-Schwerin) | Sir Charles James Fox, Civil Engineer, & Mary Brookhouse (Derbyshire)

Notes: Francis Wright & Selina FitzHerbert are parents of FitzHerbert Wright & Mary Wright from the previous generation.

Maternal: David Birtwistle, Farmer and Calico Printer, & Letty Hayes (Lancashire) | Thomas Holland, Grocer & Unknown (Lancashire) | Ralph Hartley, Inn Keeper & Ann Cunliffe (Lancashire) | Andrew Edward Marwood, Weaver, & Elizabeth Thomas (Lancashire) | Patrick McKenna, Umbrella Maker & Unknown (Lancashire?) | (Lancashire) | John Walker, Husbandman, & Margaret Parkinson | Henry Smith, Waste dealer, & Mary [Unknown] (Lancashire)

Notes: There’s a number of my maternal great great great parents that I haven’t been able to find out more about, including: the wife of Thomas Holland the Grocer; the wife of Patrick McKenna the Umbrella Maker; and the surname of Mary the wife of Henry Smith the Waste dealer. Given the success ‘cousin Billy’ had with the Birtwistle family then I’m sure more could be discovered via Parish records.

GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS:
Paternal: George Kirby (poss. London) & Unknown (poss. Mary Ann Witch) | Joseph Watts & Hannah [Unknown] (Essex) | Joseph Baxendale, Transporter & Magistrate, & Mary Birley (Lancashire) | Rev. Joseph Turner,  Clergyman, and Ellen [Unkown] (Lancashire) | Alexander Maitland, Advocate at Scottish bar, & Susan Ramsay (Edinburgh) | Josiah Nisbet, HEICCS, Madras Civil Service, & Rachel Marjoribanks (Edinburgh) | Donald Macdonell, farmer (Inverness-shire) & Anne MacDonald (Sutherlandshire) | John MacNab, farmer? (Argyllshire or Inverness-shire) & Jessie Macdonald | John Wright, Banker & Industrialist, &  Elizabeth Beresford (Nottinghamshire) | Sir Henry FitzHerbert, 3rd Bt., Lawyer & Sheriff of Derbyshire, & Agnes Beresford (Derbyshire) | Johann Ludwig Beckmann & Magdalena Johanna Dorothea Zander (Mecklenburg-Schwerin?) |Johann Peter Christian Daniel Brockmann & Johanna Sophie Marie Anna Werner (Mecklenburg-Schwerin) | Francis Fox, MD, (Derbyshire) & Charlotte Douglas | Joseph Brookhouse, Watch manufacturer, & Sarah Longdon (Derbyshire)

Notes: This is where I’ve got to with our direct Kirby ancestors. The Gray’s Inn Admission Register has an entry for our great great great grandfather George Goldsmith Kirby on 1 July 1825: George Goldsmith Kirby, only son of George K., of Kensall Green, Middlesex, gent. But we do not know more than this. A genealogist suggested that his wife may have been Mary Ann Witch, but this wasn’t confirmed. Other loose ends, include: the faimily of Joseph Watts‘s wife Hannah; and the family of Ellen the wife of the Rev. Joseph Turner. I thought Ellen might be a Kirby, and a possibly key the Kirby family mystery because one of her sons was christened Joseph ‘Kirby’ Turner. However, I found another Kirby Turner from a earlier generation. This might be a red herring, but you can read my theories here and here.

Maternal: James Birtwistle, of Stoops & Betty Eddleston (Lancashire) | Unknown HayesUnknown Thomas | Unknown Hartley | John Cunliffe & Priscilla Riley (Lancashire) | Andrew Marwood  & Elizabeth Berry (Lancashire?)Unknown ThomasUnknown McKenna | John Walker (of Ambrose Hall?) & Mary Arrowsmith (Lancashire) | James Parkinson, Corn dealer, & Deborah Salthouse (Lancashire) | Unknown Smith

Notes: After this generation we start to know less about my mother’s side of the family, although her Birtwistle ancestors are well documented thanks to 2 books by her relative William A Birtwistle, The Birtwistle family 1200-1850 A.D (1990) and Birtwistle: A Family of East Lancashire Cotton Manufacturers (2001).

My grandmother thought that her Walker relatives were related to Sir Robert Peel, but despite several attempts I’ve not been able to find any connection between the two families even though they are from the same part of the World. It was also believed by my mother’s Marwood relatives that they hailed from Devon. I’m not sure how I’d go about proving this through desktop genealogical research, and even if I could check parish records it becomes harder to match records when families move from one parish to another, let alone when they move from county to county. What we do know is that her Marwood and Walker ancestors were Lancashire Catholics, and through Mary Arrowsmith this side of her family believed they were related to Recusant martyr Edmund Arrowsmith who was from Haydock in Lancashire.

GT GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS
Paternal: Unknown Kirby | Unknown Watts | Josiah Baxendell, Surgeon  (Lancashire) & Mabella Salisbury (Yorkshire) | Richard Birley, Merchant, & Alice Hornby (Lancashire) Joseph B. Turner, Innkeeper, & Elizabeth [Unknown] (Lancashire) Alexander Charles Maitland, 2nd Bt. & Helen Gibson-Wright (Edinburgh?) | George Ramsay, of Barnton, Banker and Sportsman
& Hon. Jean Hamilton (Edinburgh) Walter Nisbet, of Mount Pleasant (Nevis) & Anne Parry (Plas Newydd?) | Sir John Marjoribanks, 1st Bt., Banker & Lord Provost, Edinburgh, & Alison Ramsay (Edinburgh) | Angus (Ban) MacDonald of Inch, poss. farmer of tacksman (Skye) & Christina Macdonald, of Achnacoichine | Rev. Patrick Macdonald, of Kilmore (Sutherlandshire) & Barbara Macdonell, of Keppoch (Inverness-shire) | Unkown MacNab | Alexander Macdonald, of Garvabeg & Charlotte Macdonell, of Keppoch (Inverness-shire) | John Wright, Banker (Baltic Trade) & Anne Sherbrooke (Nottinghamshire)Sir William FitzHerbert, 1st Bt. Barrister, Recorder of Derby, & Gentleman Usher to King George III, & Sarah Perrin (Jamaica) | Unknown Beckmann | Unknown Zander David Daniel Brockmann & Sophia Lucia Lansemann (Mecklenburg-Schwerin) | Johann Christoph Werner & Christina Maria WegnerFrancis Fox & Dorothy Ward | Archibald Douglas, Privateer, (Dumfriesshire) & Miss (poss. Mary) Hake (Devon?) | Thomas Brookhouse, Gardener/seedsman, & Millicent Jenny (Derbyshire) | Unknown Longdon

Notes: The further I go back the more amazed I am about how much me know about my father’s ancestors, particularly how little we know about the Kirby family. Seems like the Kirby family married well, or for money as my Grandmother Rosemary Wright is alleged to have said.

Maternal: William Birtwistle & Ellen Mercer, farmer and hand loom weaver (Lancashire) | Unknown Eddleston | Unknown Hartley | Henry Cunliffe & Betty Grimshaw (Lancashire?) | Unknown Riley | Unknown Marwood | Unknown Berry | Unknown Walker | Unknown Arrowsmith | Unknown Parkinson | George Salthouse & Ann Eccleston (Lancashire)

GT GT GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS
Paternal: Joseph Baxendell & Mary Beadle (Lancashire) | Thomas Salisbury, of Marshfield House, & Mary Lister (Yorkshire) | John Birley, Merchant, & Elizabeth Shepherd (Lancashire) | Hugh Hornby, Flax dresser and merchant, & Margaret Hankinson (Lancashire) | UnknownTurner | General Sir Alexander Maitland, 1st Bt. & Penelope Madan(Berkshire) | Alexander Gibson-Wright, of Clifton Hall
& Margaret Gibson, of Durie | William Ramsay, of Barnton, Banker & Janet Mansfield (Edinburgh) [parents of both George Ramsay, of Barnton, & Alison Ramsay above]Robert Hamilton, 6th of Wishaw (Lanarkshire?) & Susan BalfourWalter Nisbet (Lanarkshire) & Mary Webbe (Nevis) | Robert Parry (Plas Newydd) & Unknown | Sir Edward Marjoribanks, of Lees & Grizel Stewart (Edinburgh)Alexander Macdonell, 16th Chief of Keppoch, & 1st Unknown (Skye), 2nd Jessie Stewart, of Appin (West Highlands) | Angus Macdonald, 4th of Achnacoichine, & UnknownMurdoch Macdonald (Sutherlandshire) & Anna Couper (Fife) | Rev. Patrick Macdonald, of Kilmore (Sutherlandshire) & Unknown [Macintosh of Balnespick]Ichabod Wright, Banker & Elizabeth Wildbore (Nottinghamshire)| John Sherbrooke (Nottinghamshire) & Unknown William FitzHerbert & Mary Meynell (Derbyshire) William Perrin (Jamica) & Unknown Hans Brockmann & Sophie Dorthie Dobbert TappertHinrich Lansmann & Anna Sophia Greck | Unknown Werner | Unknown Wegner | Unknown Fox | Unknown Ward | Unknown Douglas & poss. Unknown Kelly | Samuel Hake, Clothier (Devon) & Unknown William Brookhouse & Martha Clay (Derbyshire) | Unknown Jenny

Notes: Thomas Salisbury, of Marshfield House is the Queen’s great great great great grandfather through her mother’s side (more on this here).

Rev. Patrick Macdonald, of Kilmore is the only person so far listed in two generations, he is both my  5 x 6 great grandfather (more on this here).

Maternal: James Birtwistle & Elizabeth Waddington | Unknown Mercer | Unknown Cunliffe | Unknown GrimshawEdward Salthouse & Deborah Reeder (Lancashire) | Richard Eccleston & Margret Gregson (Lancashire)

GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS
Paternal: Josiah Baxendell & Elizabeth Smethurst (Lancashire) | Unknown Beadle | Edward Salisbury, of Marshfield & Alice Leigh (Yorkshire) | John Lister, of Settle, & Mary Swainson (Yorkshire) | John Birley, Yeoman (Lancashire) & Unknown | Unknown Shepherd Robert Hornby, Yeoman/Gentleman, & Elizabeth Sharrock (Lancashire)Joseph Hankinson & Unknown (Lancashire) | Charles Maitland, 6th Earl of Lauderdale & Elizabeth Ogilvy, of Findlater & Seafield | Colonel Martin Madan, Foot Guards, MP Wootton Basset, Groom Bedchamber to HRH Frederick Prince of Wales, & Judith Cowper, (Ireland/London?) Poet, (Hertfordshire) | Thomas Gibson, of Clifton Hall & Unknown | John Gibson, of Durie (Fife) & Helen Carmichael, of Skirling | George Ramsay, stabler, &  Agnes Thom (Edinburgh) | James Mansfield, Banker, & Janet Macintosh (Edinburgh) | William Hamilton, 4th of Wishaw (Lanarkshire) & Bethia Hamilton | Sir Michael Balfour, 6th Bt & Jane Ross (Midlothian)| Archibald Nisbet, II of Carfin (Edinburgh) & Emilia Stuart (Midlothian)Josiah Webbe (Nevis) & Unknown | Unknown ParryJohn Marjoribanks, of Hallyards & Catherine Campbell (Edinburgh) | Archibald Stewart, of Mitcham, Lord Provost of Edinburgh & Grizel Gordon (Edinburgh)| Coll Macdonell, 15th of Keppoch (Inverness-shire) & Barbara Macdonald, of Sleat (Skye) | Robert Stewart, 8th of Appin, (West Highlands) & Anne Campbell, of Lochnell (Argyll) Archibald Macdonald, 3rd of Achnacoichine & UnknownDonald MacDonald & Margaret Ross (Rossshire) | Rev. Patrick Cooper, of Pittenweem (Fife) & Janet Halyburton (Perthshire) Thomas Wright & Hannah Rotherham (Nottinghamshire) | Unknown Sherbrooke William FitzHerbert & Rachel Bagshaw (Derbyshire) | Littleton Poyntz Meynell & Judith Alleyne (Derbyshire) | Unknown Perrin | Unknown Brockmann | Unknown TappertUnknown Lansmann | Unkbown Greck | Unknown Hake | William Brookhouse & Hannah Jackson (Derbyshire) | Unknown Clay

Notes: I’ve added James Mansfield and Janet Macintosh who are not on cousin Hamish’s tree. They’re details are from The Book of the Old Edinburgh Club, New Series Volume 6 (2005), ‘From James Mansfield to Ramsays, Bonars & Company: some notes on the story of a private bank’ by Zella Ashford. I’ll post about this soon.

Also added: Grizel Gordon from the Clan MacFarlane Genealogy site.

I did not include Murdoch Macdonald (the father of the Rev. Patrick Macdonald, of Kilmore) in this generation because he has already been included in the previous generation.

This was as far as I’ve got with my closest German ancestors, but there’s likely to be more discoveries by others given the shared ancestry with Fergie.

Thomas Gibson, of Clifton Hall and John Gibson, of Durie both have common ancestry, which leads to duplications in generation below:

Thomas Gibson, of Clifton Hall >> Sir Alexander Gibson, of Pentland  & Helen Fleming, of Rathobyres

John Gibson, of Durie >> Alexander Gibson, of Durie & Elizabeth Foulis, of Ravelston >> Sir Alexander Gibson, of Pentland & Helen Fleming, of Rathobyres

Maternal: Thomas Birtwistle, of Moorside, Thrower or turners, & Mary Yates (Lancashire) | Unknown Waddington | George Salthouse & Elizabeth Swarbreck (Lancashire) | Thomas Reeder & Jane Bagett (Lancashire) | Unknown Eccleston | Unknown Gregson

GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS
Paternal: Thomas Backstendeane & Unknown (Lancashire) | Unknown Smethurst | Unknown Salisbury | Richard Leigh & Margaret Unknown | John Lister & Maybella (Elizabeth or Mabella or Eliza) Unknown | Thomas Swainson & Margaret Armistead | Unknown BirleyWilliam Hornby & Isabel Horscarr (Lancashire) | Unknown Sharrock | Unknown Hankinson | Sir John Maitland, 5th Earl of Lauderdale, & Margaret Cuninghame | James Ogilvy, 4th Earl Findlater & 1st Seafield  & Anne Dunbar, of Drum Martin Madan (Waterford, Ireland) & Penelope Russell (Nevis) | Spencer Cowper, MP and Barrister (Hertfordshire) & Pennington Goodeve | Sir Alexander Gibson, of Pentland & Helen Fleming, of Rathobyres | Alexander Gibson, of Durie & Elizabeth Foulis, of Ravelston | William Carmichael, of Skirling & Helen Craig, of Riccarton| Unknown Ramsay | Unknown Thom | Peter Mansfield, Inkhorn turner & Alisone Hutchisone (Edinburgh) | Unknown Macintosh | Robert Hamilton, younger of Wishaw & Jean HamiltonCharles Hamilton (Lanarkshire) & Euphemia Hamilton | & Marjory Moncrieff| Unknown Ross | Archibald Nisbet (Fife) & Eupham Scroggie | Archibald Stuart, of Dunearn & poss. Anna Henderson | Unknown Webbe | Edward Marjoribanks, of Hallyards, & Janet Loch | Unknown Campbell | Sir Robert Stewart, 1st Bt.of Allanbank, & Helen Cockburn | John Gordon, in Edinburgh & Archibald Macdonell, 14th of Keppoch, & Mary MacMartin, of Letterfinlay | Sir Donald Breac Macdonald, 3rd Bt of Sleat, & Margaret or Mary Douglas, of Morton | Allan Stewart & Margaret Maclean, of Coll | Sir Alexander Campbell, 6th of Lochnell (Argyll) & Margaret Stewart, of Appin | Alexander Macdonald, 2nd of Achnacoichine, & Unknown | Unknown MacDonald | Rev. Walter Ross, Minister of parish of Tongue (Rossshire) & Unknown | Unknown Couper or Cowper | Rev. George Halyburton (Perthsire) & Margaret Playfair (Perthshire) | Capt. John Wright/Camplyon, New Model Army & Jane Mosley (Nottinghamshire) | Thomas Rotherham, at Nottingham, & Unknown (Nottinghamshire) | Anthony FitzHerbert & Elizabeth Wicholes (Derbyshire) | Unknown Bagshaw | Godfrey Meynell  & Elizabeth Littleton (Derbyshire) | Thomas Alleyne & Judith Thornhill | William Brookhouse & Hannah Cockerham (Derbyshire)

Notes: This generation includes both father and son, Sir Alexander Gibson, of Pentland & Alexander Gibson, of Durie. I’ll remove one in line in next generation because this is an attempt to find out genealogical dead ends rather than an Ahnentafel.

In addition, Charles Hamilton (Lanarkshire), William Hamilton’s (3rd of Wishaw) 1st wife Mary Erskine. Robert Hamilton, younger of Wishaw, is the son of William Hamilton‘s (3rd of Wishaw) 2nd wife  & Anne Hamilton , of Udston.

Also found:

Thomas Alleyne & Judith Thornhill on Camilla von Massenbach’s Genealogy Links site.

Pennington Goodeve on The Peerage site.

Helen Cockburn on the History of Paliament site.

John Gordon on Clan Macfarlane Genealogy.info site.

Peter Mansfield, Inkhorn turner & Alisone Hutchisone are from The Book of the Old Edinburgh Club, New Series Volume 6 (2005), ‘From James Mansfield to Ramsays, Bonars & Company: some notes on the story of a private bank’ by Zella Ashford. I’ll post about this soon.

I also found out that Hon. Archibald Stuart of Dunearn, Fife (? – February 1688), Governor of Stirling Castle, married in 1669 Anna Henderson, daughter of Sir John Henderson, 5th of Fordell and wife Margaret Menteith, and had one daughter (Sources: Wijipedia James Stuart, 4th Earl of Moray and Rootsweb Brown-Gwinn Genealogy).

Maternal: John Birtwistle, of Higham & Hannah Stephenson (Lancashire) | Unknown YatesUnknown Salthouse | Unknown SwarbreckJohn Reeder & Isabell Gattley (Lancashire) | Unknown Baget

John Reeder & Isabell Gattley married in 1655, but after this point it’s only the Birtwistle ancestors on my mother’s side of the family we know about thanks to the work of our relation William A. Birtwistle. It should in theory be possible to find out more about her Lancastrian ancestors from parish records, particularly if the families didn’t stray too far. Perhaps others will look into our joint ancestors, and I’ll pick this up from my desktop research.

GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GT GRANDPARENTS
Paternal:Roger Backstendeane & Margery (Lancashire) |Leonard Leigh
& Elizabeth Brigge Rev. Anthony Lister, & (Mabella) MaybellaLawrence Swainson & Unknown | Unknown Armistead | Richard Hornby & Elizabeth Walmesley (Lancashire) | Unknown Horscarr | Charles Maitland, 3rd Earl of Lauderdale, & Elizabeth Lauder | Alexander Cuninghame, 10th Earl of Gencairn, & Nicol Stewart, of KirkhillJames Ogilvy, 3rd Earl of Findlater, & Anne Montgomerie, of Eglington | William (Sir) Dunbar, 1st Bt of Durn, & Janet Brodie | Dr. Richard Madan (Waterford) & & Marie-Alice Fagan | Lt.-Governor, Col. Sir James Russell & Penelope Tyrrell (Nevis) | Sir Wlliam Cowper, 2nd Bt. Sarah Holled | John Goodeve & Unknown | Sir John Gibson, of Pentland & Addistone, & Jean Hay, of Kennet | Sir James Fleming, of Rathobyres, & Unknown | John 2nd Lord Carmichael, 1st Earl of Hyndford & Beatrix Drummond, of Maderty | Thomas Craig, of Riccarton, & Unknown | Unknown Mansfield | John Hutchisone, Combmaker (Edinburgh) | William Hamilton, 3rd of Wishaw & Anne Hamilton, of Udston | Robert Hamilton, of Brownmuir & Unknown | William Hamilton, 3rd of Wishaw & Mary Erskine | Sir Archibald Hamilton, 1st Bart of Rosehall, & Anne Murray | Sir Michael Balfour, 4th Bt. & Unknown Ayton | George Moncrieff, of Reidie, & Unknown | James Nisbet (Ayrshire) & Jean Hamilton | John Scroggie & Catherine Harrower | James Stuart, 4th Earl of Moray, & Margaret Home, of Home | Unknown Henderson | Edward Marjoribanks, of Hallyards, & Agnes Murray | James Loch, of Drylaw & Unknown | Sir James Steuart, of Coltness, Scottish merchant, banker, landowner, politician, Covenanter & Lord Provost of Edinburgh, & Anne Hope | Unknown GordonAlasdair Buidhe Macdonell, 13th of Keppoch, & Unknown daughter of Angus Mor Macdonald, of Bohuntine | Duncan MacMartin, 6th of Letterfinlay, & Unknown | Sir James MorMacdonald, 2nd Bt 9th of Sleat & Margaret Mackenzie, of Cogeach | Robert 2nd of Douglas, 8th Earl of Morton & Elizabeth VillersDuncan Stewart , 6th of Appin & Unknown daughter of Cameron, of Lochiel |Hector Ruadh\Roy Maclean,  5th of Coll & Marian Maclean, of Duart | Colin Campbell, 5th of Lochnell (Argyllshire) &  Anne Campbell |Duncan mor Stewart, 7th of Appin & Jean Campbell, of Glenorchy | Angus Og Macdonell, 1st of Achnacoichine & Unknown  Unknown Ross | Unknown Halyburton | Rev. Andrew Playfair & Margaret Oliphant John Wright/John Camplyon (Stowemarket, Suffolk) & Unknown | Unknown Mosley | Unknown Rotherham John FitzHerbert & Elizabeth FitzHerbert (Derbyshire) |Unknown Wicholes | Francis Meynell & Unknown | Unknown Littleton | Abel Alleyne &  Elizabeth Denzy | Unknown Thornhill | Godfrey Brookhouse & Elizabeth Bailey (Derbyshire) | John Cockerham & Unknown |

Notes: I’ve removed one of the Gibson of Pentland generations to avoid duplication.

William Hamilton, 3rd of Wishaw, appears twice through 2 marriages. Duplication will be removed in next generation.

Also added: Colin Campbell, 5th of Lochnell (Argyllshire) &  Anne Campbell from Clan MacFarlane Genealogy.info site.

Abel Alleyne &  Elizabeth Denzy on Camilla von Massenbach’s Genealogy Links site.

John Hutchisone, Combmaker (Edinburgh) is from The Book of the Old Edinburgh Club, New Series Volume 6 (2005), ‘From James Mansfield to Ramsays, Bonars & Company: some notes on the story of a private bank’ by Zella Ashford. I’ll post about this soon.

Sir Robert Stewart, 1st Bt.of Allanbank, is most likely Sir Robert Steuart of Allanbank (1643–1707) 1st baronet of Allanbank, 7th and youngest son of the Lord Provost (See Wikipedia: Steuart baronets). The Wikipedia entry for (Lord Provost)_James Steuart of Coltness explains that In 1630 he married Anne, daughter of Henry Hope and niece of the Lord Advocate Sir Thomas Hope of Craighall. She died in 1646, and Steuart married in 1648 Marion, widow of Sir John Elliott and only daughter and heiress of David McCulloch, of Goodtrees.  His children by his first marriage included Sir Thomas Steuart, 1st Baronet, of Coltness; James Steuart (1635–1713), of Goodtrees; and Sir Robert Steuart, 1st Baronet, of Allanbank.

Elizabeth WALMESLEY on Ancestors of Phipps Hornby site.

John Goodeve on The Peerage.

Maternal: Henry Birtwistle and Helena [Unknown] | Unknown Stephenson | Unknown Reeder | Unknown Gattley

Birtwistle ancestors can be traced back another 16 generations to Ralph de Bridtwisell who was born about 1160 in England.

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2 thoughts on “Genealogical dead ends revisted

  1. I am not sure “Marwood” Ancesters are related to your Marwood ancesters.My Great Grandfather Marwood, was name Thomas(if was a family tradtion to name each first born son Thomas. My Great Grandmother Marwood was Mary Bromley(?) My Grandfather was Frederick Charles Marwood, I have a copy of his birthcertificate listing his mother’s maiden name as Bromley.
    My Grandfather Frederick was born in Birmingham, he came to Canada in 1909.. His wife was Martha (Waite) born Sept.1886.Their only child my Mother was Louisa May Marwood, born in Regina, Sask. Canada. I also now that he had a brother Thomas who also came to Canada. I would be nice to know if they were cousins or something else, since I have been searching for awhile trying to make a Family Tree.
    Thank you for your time Eliz.

    1. Elizabeth … thanks for getting in touch not sure if your Marwood ancestors are close cousins or not. My mother’s maternal grandfather was Frederick Thomas Marwood who was born in 1857 in Blackburn. He had ad elder brother called Edward, a younger brother called Alfred born in 1860, and a younger half-brother called Thomas born in 1873. However, Edward, Fred, Albert and Thomas’ father was called Edward Marwood who was born in 1826 in Manchester. His parents seem to have been Andrew Edward Marwood born about 1785 in Manchester and Elizabeth Thomas. We think that Andrew Edward’s father was a weaver called Andrew and his mother was called Elizabeth Berry.

      It’s interesting that your grandfather is also called Frederick and that he has a brother called Thomas, and that there is a tradition of naming the first born Thomas. Our Marwood ancestors don’t seem to have used the same naming convention quite as rigidly but there is a progression from Andrew to Andrew Edward who had 3 sons, Edward, Fred, Alfred and Thomas. Fred was only one to have boys but none married.

      Andrew Marwood and Elizabet Berry may have had other children but we haven’t identified any.

      By the way, were your Marwood ancestor’s catholic? My mother’s Marwood ancestors all seem to have been Catholic.

      Best

      Justin

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