Kirby ancestry mystery lead or coincidence

The Navigation Inn, Eanam, Blackburn
The Navigation Inn, Eanam, Blackburn: home in 1861 of my great grandmother Annie Mary Hartley, her mother Priscilla, grandmother Anne Hartley, and great grandfather John Cunliffe

More Lancashire and pub connections found in latest research:

George H. Graham kindly helped show how my great great grandmother Alice Baxendale was the granddaughter of the Rev. Joseph Turner who was born about 1796. He was the son of Joseph B. Turner, at Broughton In Furness, Lancashire.

I’d noticed that the son of the Rev. Joseph Turner was called Joseph Kirby Turner. He was also a vicar who had assisted at Alice’s (his niece and my great great grandmother) wedding to my great great grandfather Alfred Octavius Kirby. Joseph Kirby Turner‘s mother was called Ellen, but her surname isn’t known. I wondered whether she was a Kirby, and if there was a link between her and our branch of the Kirby family. This might be the clue to the ancestors of our great great great grandfather George Goldsmith Kirby.

It could also be a coincidence, but there were a number of connections between the Turner and Kirby families, as follows:

Ellen Turner was the daughter of the Rev. Joseph and Ellen Turner. She married Lloyd Baxendale. As mentioned above, their daughter Alice married Alfred Octavius Kirby.

Elizabeth Turner was also the daughter of the Rev. Joseph and Ellen Turner. She was the second wife of the Industrialist William Henry Schneider. Their daughter Beatrice Elizabeth Schneider married Alfred Octavius Kirby after the death of her cousin Alice.

John Henry Augustus Schneider was the son of William Henry Schneider and his first wife Augusta Smith. He married Mary Elizabeth Crofton, and their daughter Olive Crofton Schneider married Gen. Sir Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien.

Gen. Sir Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien was the son of Robert Algernon Smith and Mary Ann Drever, and the brother of Edith who married the Rev. Augustus George Kirby.

Rev. Augustus George Kirby is the brother of Alfred Octavius Kirby who also assisted at Alfred’s wedding to Alice along with her uncle, the Rev. Joseph Kirby Turner mentioned above.

I have mentioned this all before, but was prompted to look into this again after comments made by Steve Pick on my Family genealogical deadends – Baxendale/Backstondeine post.

I have subsequently found the following records on the Lancashire Online Parish Clerk Project site:

Baptism: 18 Oct 1798 St Mary Magdalene, Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England
John Turner – Son of Joseph Turner & Elizabeth
Occupation: Innkeeper

Baptism: 26 Jun 1801 St Mary Magdalene, Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England
William Turner – Son of Joseph Turner & Elizabeth
Abode: Kings Head

Baptism: 24 Dec 1810 St Mary Magdalene, Broughton in Furness, Lancashire, England
Thomas Kirby Turner – Son of Joseph Turner & Elizabeth
Born: 30 Oct 1810
Abode: this Town
Occupation: Innkeeper

The baptism and marriage records only go as far back as 1796, and I can’t find records for the baptism of the Rev. Joseph Turner. I am guessing the Joseph Turner and Elizabeth mentioned above are his parents given the dates and the Broughton in Furness connection, and therefore the other children listed are likely to be his brothers.

What I found interesting was that one of Joseph and Elizabeth’s sons is called Thomas ‘Kirby Turner’, a generation before the birth of Joseph ‘Kirby Turner’ in 1834. This raises the possibility that it was the Rev. Joseph Turner’s mother Elizabeth rather than his wife Ellen that was a Kirby. Not sure we’ll ever find out, but it’s another possible lead.

Interesting to see that we have Innkeeping ‘in the blood’ on both sides of the family. I wonder if the King’s Head still exists in Broughton (perhaps it’s now the Old Kings Head), might be worth a visit if I am ever in the area. Sadly, I’m not sure the trip could extend to Navigation Inn in Blackburn as I don’t think it’s still standing.  Shame as my great great great ‘victualler’ grandmother Ann Hartley seemed to have been running it in 1861, and her (unmarried?) daughter Priscilla was living there with her daughter Annie Mary (my mother’s grandmother aka Annie Astley Bell), and their grandfather John Cunliffe who was widowed by then. That said I think I would rather head over to the Michelin Star restaurant at Northcote Manor that was the home of Annie Mary after the death of her husband and my great grandfather Albert Birtwistle.

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