The Royal Salisbury connection

Funny thing this family history ‘research’. One minute you are looking to find how one person might be related to another and next thing you find out is that the Elizabeth II Windsor, Queen of the United Kingdom is your grandfather’s sixth cousin, making me 7th cousin to Will and Harry – wish I known this when I was at school with their uncles Andrew and Edward.

I’d mentioned before in my A descent from trade: a tale of misplaced snobbery! post how how my grandfather Claude (Alfred Reginald Claude Kirby) used to stay with his aunt Connie (Constance Mary Bagge, née Baxendale) in the school holidays. Connie married Thomas Edward Bagge, and his grandmother was Grace Salisbury (daughter of Richard Salisbury from Castle Park, Lancashire. So I was wondering if these Salisbury are related to my ancestor Mabella Salisbury (Spinster of Lancaster) who married Josiah Baxendale (Surgeon of Lancaster) in 1784 St Mary, Lancaster (see Baxendale ancestors here):

Marriage: 13 Dec 1784 St Mary, Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Josiah Baxendale – Surgeon of Lancaster
Mabella Salisbury – Spinster of Lancaster
Witness: Ric’d Salisbury; Thos Winder; Bryan Grey
Married by Licence by: J. THOMAS, Curate
Source: LDS Film 1526200
Lancashire online Parish Clerk Project

I asked Dave Birley if he could give me any pointers and he found a couple of leads and when I was following them up I found the following reference via Google in Volume 2 of A Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Colonial Gentry (1895) by Bernard Burke:

Josiah Baxendale, of Castle Hill, co. Lancaster, m, Mabella, only daughter of Thomas SALISBURY, of Marshfield, Settle, and left two sons, I. JOSEPH, who had issue, 1. Joseph Hornby, of Worplesdon Place

I then found a reference for I also found a reference to Thomas SALISBURY of Marshfield, Settle on a site about “Settle’s Royal Connection“, which raised a smile:

“However, for us in North Craven, the article in Genealogist’s Magazine holds a different interest, for Frances Webb was married in 1795 to Thomas Salisbury. Thomas Salisbury, great-great-great grandfather of the Queen, was born in 1761 in Marshfield House, Settle. He was the son of another Thomas Salisbury, who came to Settle in about 1750 and built the original Marshfield House. He was a man of property and of a philanthropic nature. In 1759 he provided two cottages in Upper Settle for a new workhouse for Settle. He and his wife baptised nine children at Giggleswick Church: Mary (1754), Alice (1755), Mabella (1756), Edward (1757 survived only a few days), Thomas (1758, only lived a few months), John (1759), Edward (1760) Thomas (1761, ancestor of the Queen) and Ellen (1762). In 1764 the Salisbury family left Settle for Lancaster.”

Thomas Salisbury
Marshfield House
and Mary Lister
Thomas Salisbury
Marshfield House
and Mary Lister
Thomas Salisbury
1761/5- 1810
and Frances Webb
Mabella Salisbury
and Josiah Baxendell
c. 1761
Ann Caroline Salisbury
and Edwyn Burnaby
Joseph Baxendale
and Mary Birley
Caroline Louisa Burnaby
and Charles William F. Cavendish-Bentinck
Lloyd Baxendale
and Ellen Turner
Nina Cecilia Cavendish-Bentinck
and Claude George Bowes-Lyon
Alice Baxendale
and Alfred Octavius Kirby
Elizabeth Angela Marguerite Bowes-Lyon
and King George VI
George Henry Kirby
and Alice Mari (Elsie) Maitland
Queen Elizabeth II

Alfred Reginald Claude Kirby
(my grandfather)

So another Royal Connection even if I still haven’t found out if great great great aunt Connie’s husband is closely related to my Salisbury ancestors through his grandmother. That said I know have another potential riddle to solve. My great great aunt Dorothy Gian Kirby (daughter of Alfred Octavius Kirby was married, or at least engaged to a, Capt. John Charles Francis Lister. I haven’t been able to find out much about them, but I wonder if Capt. John Charles is related to the Mary Lister that was married to Thomas Salisbury of Marshfield House, Settle. The “Settle’s Royal Connection” doesn’t have much more to say about Thomas, but as the following to say about Mary Lister and her family … perhaps this is another line of enquiry and some more loose ends tied up on The Peerage to tell Darryl about:

“Of the elder Thomas Salisbury nothing more is known at this stage of research except that his family held property in Newton-in-Bowland, but of his wife we know quite a bit more. She was Mary Lister, the daughter of John Lister of Settle, and cousin of the Vicar of Giggleswick, Anthony Lister. Giggleswick has had two vicars named Anthony Lister. The elder was the incumbent around the time of the Commonwealth and was great-grandfather to the second Anthony Lister, and also to Mary Salisbury nee Lister. Thus, the Vicar of Giggleswick at a time when this country was without a monarch was the 7 x great-grandfather of our present Queen.”

The Queen’s direct relationship to the Lister family opens up the possibilities for people in this area to have direct links with the present royal family. Mary Lister’s cousins were the Listers of Gisburn whose descendants became the Lords Ribblesdale. Mary’s older sister, Mabella, was married on 2nd April 1754 at Giggleswick Church to Nicholas Coulthurst of Gargrave House. The Commonwealth Anthony Lister and his wife, Elizabeth, had a son, John, who was married in 1682 at Long Preston to Alice Dawson of Langcliffe Hall. The links between these families await further research, all of which promises to be fascinating!”


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