Kirbys, Schneiders, Baxendales, Smith-Dorriens and Turners – a Lancashire connection?

My great great grandfather Alfred Octavius Kirby first married Alice Baxendale, who was the daughter of Lloyd Baxendale and Ellen Turner. The Baxendales had made their fortune from the Pickfords removals firm. Alfred Octavius married Beatrice Elizabeth Schneider in 1905 after Alice’s death in 1897. Beatrice was the daughter of Henry William Schneider and Elizabeth Turner from Frodsham, Cheshire, England. Alice Baxendale’s mother Ellen was the daughter of Joseph and Ellen Turner from Frodsham in Cheshire. So I wonder if Elizabeth Turner and Alice Baxendale were related.

According to the wiki Henry William Schneider was the chairman of the Barrow Steelworks he lived at Belsfield House on the shore of Windermere. Every morning he left home and travelled on his steam yacht SL Esperance, on which he had breakfast, across the lake to Lakeside. From there he would travel by train in his private carriage to his office in Barrow. The Esperance is preserved in the Windermere Steamboat Museum. It became the model for Captain Flint’s houseboat in Arthur Ransome’s Swallows and Amazons. Apparently, he was also disqualified as an MP when it was found that he had bribed voters.

 T.S.S.Y. Esperance, 1869
T.S.S.Y. Esperance, 1869

Interestingly, Olive Crofton Schneider was the granddaughter of Henry William Schneider and his first wife Augusta Smith. She married Gen. Sir Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien in 1902 in St Peters, Eaton Square, London, England.

As mentioned above, Beatrice Elizabeth Schneider was my great great grandfather Alfred Octavius Kirby’ second wife, and so it seems like she was Olive’s aunt. Alfred Octavius’ brother Augustus George Kirby married Edith Smith Dorrien, the daughter of Robert Algernon Smith Dorrien and Mary Ann Drever. Edith was Sir Horace Lockwood Smith-Dorrien’s sister.


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